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 Post subject: reverse pied java
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:23 am 
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hello peacocks australia! i was wondering how you bred the reverse pied java? very good looking bird? I hear that over seas they can't get pure java pieds, so they cross them with indian blues.

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Hi Chevron182, We have been chating via email with two breeders in the USA for last 2 years or so and both have Reverse Pied Java's so not sure where overseas you are refering to?
Yes they are a Stunning bird.

We do not Cross Breed nor do we condone it

Thanks for the question

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 Post subject: White's
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I read with interest the letters on cross breeding etc and the subject of Pieds and their mating. As far as I'm aware the white's were established from a breeding of normal blues. Is there any record of a White breed from Java Greens?.


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White Peacoks as we know them are Indian Whites they are a Natural mutation from the Indian Blue. From what we can establish from information supplied to us from around the World the first to appear was the Pied Blue, then came the White. To my knowledge there is no White Java but this may? only be a matter of time and Nature, as it was with the Indian Blues.

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 Post subject: White's
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Hi Peacocks Australia,

Peacocks Australia.

Thanks for reply.

After posting my last message I thought about it a bit more, but not knowing the phenotype of the Java, only from photo's, I wondered if they carry any yellow in their makeup, although the white in your pied's would appear that they do not,if however they did I suppose it would not be impossible in time to breed a black-eyed yellow or a Lutino, the yellow masking the green. Could you imagine a yellow---would this not be a truely beautiful bird.

I had years of fun breeding breeding Budgerigars specializing in Black-eyed White's and Pink eyed Albino's and Black-eyed Yellow's and Pink eye Lutino's.

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It's a very complex area " Phenotypes and Genotypes and one which still confuses many in the Parrot & Budgie world. One example is the Sighting and Photographs in the Wild of the "Lutino" Redtailed Black Cockatoo this had the Genetic world in a spin. " Yellow from Black"?????



Thanks for the interesting post!

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 Post subject: Redtailed Black Cockatoo - Lutino.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 5:52 pm 
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Hi Peacock Australia.

That bird I would have loved to have seen, do you know if it was sighted on the east coast,if so you would have to think that this birds great grandparents were Redtailed and Yellowtailed Blacks flying together and the F1's ressesive pieds cross mated to arrive at F2 dominant double factor pieds who in turn produced the Lutino or Yellow. However you would have thought the pieds would have been reported. We may never know the Genotype of this bird, and if the experts could not work it out I've got no hope. But it's great fun thinking about it.

Loved the pic's of your last lot of birds, will try and get some more for you soon.Don't know about everyone else but I like looking at everyone's birds.

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Hi Snowball, The lutino Red-Tail appeared in the "BirdKeeper Magazine" about 12 Months ago, The article claims is was NOT a cross but a Natural Mutation but I'll leave that to the Cockatoo people.They do offer back Issues, is a good read. We two like looking at other poeples birds, and hope to see LOTS more?

Thanks for the New Photos.

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Location: Wilton (NSW).. in the lovely Southern Highlands
I could be right off the track here, but somewhere in the deep recesses of my mind I can recall an article about colours in Peacocks.

I think there was talk about the colours not being "true" colours but colour being a product of refracted light rather than proper pigment....(i.e metallic)
This would render a "lutino" peafowl impossible because their green is not a product of blue and yellow pigments.

I stand to be corrected........(it was a long time ago)


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