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 Post subject: Re: worm twice
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:49 pm 
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I have found Piperazine good for my girls and the worm they poo out are died?


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 Post subject: Re: worm twice
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:47 pm 
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meathens wrote:
I have found Piperazine good for my girls and the worm they poo out are died?

If I had a dollar for every time a client told me that, I wouldn't need to work. Piperazine has an extremely high level of resistance development and only treats one worm species. Have you performed follow up faecals to determine if all worms were cleared. Seeing worms in the faeces suggests a heavy burden which indicates inadequate worming or a high level of recontamination.


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 Post subject: Re: worm twice
PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:27 pm 
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So dannyB whats the brand you recommend?




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 Post subject: Re: worm twice
PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:33 pm 
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HBG wrote:
So dannyB whats the brand you recommend?




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That depends on what worm is recognised, the number of birds, type of birds, time of year and whether or not a wittholding period is an issue.
The wormers I mentioned above as suitable would all be in my arsenal at different times.
If you want to suggest a scenario I can suggest an appropriate wormer.


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 Post subject: Re: worm twice
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:50 am 
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I will stick with Piperazine work perfectly for my flock thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: worm twice
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meathens wrote:
I will stick with Piperazine work perfectly for my flock thanks.

Feel free to ignore free avian vet advice - ignorance is bliss.


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 Post subject: Re: worm twice
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:59 am 
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Sorry but vets are not ways right! and I am far from ignorant thank you, Piperazine works for me so please accept that and move on


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 Post subject: Re: worm twice
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:12 am 
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Just as foot note

Roundworm (Ascaridia galli) is the most common worm affecting poultry.

Piperazine, a common harmless wormer, will eliminate roundworms.


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 Post subject: Re: worm twice
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:15 am 
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meathens wrote:
Just as foot note

Roundworm (Ascaridia galli) is the most common worm affecting poultry.

Piperazine, a common harmless wormer, will eliminate roundworms.

Piperazine has not been used a a sole drug on a commercial basis for over 15 years because over a short time its stops working due to resistance. If your worming is managed properly you shouldn't be seeing worms passing through as they should not be developing to adult size. I suggest you look at some articles such as http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/826003 before quoting its effectiveness.
It states" Piperazine had a good effectiveness in older chickens (61-83%); in young chickens it was entirely ineffective. Piperazine showed an extenseffectiveness ranging from 17 to 67% only in older chickens in cases of a mild invasion; otherwise it was equal to zero" .
At best in that study, 17% of chickens were not cleared of roundworm using piperazine.
There are dozens of similar trials showing similar results if you search Google scholar for them. The only info that gives it a glowing report are articles from the 70's and article written by people trying to sell it. The only time it pops up in clinical tests these days is when it is trialled against herbal options in third world countries, where they still use it because its cheap.


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 Post subject: Re: worm twice
PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:56 am 
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Sorry guys but Danny has a good point.

If nothing else try to rotate your worming products each time you use them.


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