Cinnamon Guinea-Fowl - Topic 2

Ace · **Posted:** Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:59 pm

Turkeyboy wrote:

This ruby red glow to eyes is NOT caused by camera flash as Ace suggested in a earlier post. Cheers
Shawn

No what I wrote was

Ace Ventura wrote:

As far as eye colour they are red eye as in camera flash

Have you heard the term red eye flash from a camera? Have you seen a photo of red eye from camera flash?
Here an example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BoldRedEye.JPG note how the colour looks like cinnamons eye colour

Turkeyboy · **Joined:** Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:31 pm **Posts:** 27

Sorry about that Ace,,,I must have mis-read your post,,,I have edited my post, As I wouldn't want to mis-lead anyone with the wrong information....

Cheers
Shawn :oops:

Ace · **Posted:** Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:20 pm

No problem :-D

yes there is enough mis-info out there on another site or two we don't want that here

GuineasofPerth · **Posted:** Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:38 pm

I saw this and decided to add my experience with so called split to cinnamon. I purchased off the internet and paid to have them sent all the way over here so called split cinnamon guinea fowls in both males and females and was told to breed them together and I would breed some cinnamons well 2 years latter and 69 chicks latter and no cinnamons have come they are all grey and lavender. I have asked a few good breeders about why and they have all told me there is no such thing and a split to cinnamon female and unless I get a cinnamon female or a silver female I will never breed them. So I have ordered 2 cinnamon females and will then hopefully breed some. So my advice to people is beware of these claims I think some are just out for the money.

Turkeyboy · **Joined:** Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:31 pm **Posts:** 27

Hi GuineasofPerth,
When you purchase your split birds did you find out the background on the way this breeder bred your spit birds. Were they produced from a mix coloured flock of Guineas that produced the odd “Cinnamon” bird or Did they produce your birds in a controlled environment, So that they new for sure the parentage of your birds. Did your split birds come directly out of a Cinnamon father or a Cinnamon mother????

Sorry for all the question,,, But it may help us,,, to give you better advise on WHY you have not produced a “Cinnamon”....

I hope you haven’t been taken for a ride,,,When buying split birds it is always a gamble... Unless the breeder can 100% guarantee the parentage. And the birds are bred in a controlled environment and not in a mix coloured flock....

Please keep us up todate when you breed your new “Cinnamon” females with your possible split males....

Cheers
Shawn

Ace · **Posted:** Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:55 pm

GuineasofPerth wrote:

I saw this and decided to add my experience with so called split to cinnamon. I purchased off the internet and paid to have them sent all the way over here so called split cinnamon guinea fowls in both males and females and was told to breed them together and I would breed some cinnamons well 2 years latter and 69 chicks latter and no cinnamons have come they are all grey and lavender. I have asked a few good breeders about why and they have all told me there is no such thing and a split to cinnamon female and unless I get a cinnamon female or a silver female I will never breed them. So I have ordered 2 cinnamon females and will then hopefully breed some. So my advice to people is beware of these claims I think some are just out for the money.

Welcome Guineas of Perth, yes good advice to beware of unfounded claims and money grabbers, did you read my post above if not here it is.

Ace Ventura wrote:

For the record I have a large flock of free range guineas [pearl/cinnamon and lavender] that have MANY splits possibly 50% in the flock. I have fairly equal number of cockbirds and hens and most are related. I have NEVER had a cinnamon appear in my flock EVER, that is EVER, not one, NEVER which is no surprise to me as they are sex linked so no split hens but on the hypothesis of recessive then hens would be split and I would have cinnamons running around but I don’t. Now I have just added to the flock 3 silver hens and now I will see if I breed cinnamon which I believe I will because silver is also sex linked in red eye only.

Your spot on mate as I have had firsthand experience like you and breeding longer than most, so if you can't get hold of cinns get a couple of silvers. Enjoy the forum you will get the right advice here

Turkeyboy · **Joined:** Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:31 pm **Posts:** 27

Hi Ace,
If you have not produced a “Cinnamon” amongst your large flock of free range guineas, Yet, you have some “Pearl spilt Cinnamons” I can only assume these are males you are referring too,, Based on your sex-linked theory. As you can NOT get a split cinnamon female...When dealing with a sex-linked mutation.

If these split male are 100% split for “Cinnamon”,,, They should produce a small percentage of “Cinnamon’ females.

Here is a breeding chart,, Based on sex-linked Cinnamon mutation.

CINNAMON: Sex-Linked (/ =Split)

Normal/Cinnamon cock x Normal hen = Normal & Normal/Cinnamon cocks &
Normal & Cinnamon hens :arrow:

(This would apply to your split cinnamon boys)

Normal/Cinnamon cock x Cinnamon hen = Normal/Cinnamon & Cinnamon cocks
Normal & Cinnamon hens

Cinnamon cock x Normal hen = Normal/Cinnamon cocks & Cinnamon hens

Normal cock x Cinnamon hen = Normal/Cinnamon cocks and Normal hens

I'ver you are very unlucky Ace, Or you do not hatch enough eggs from your Split Cinnamon birds.....

Cheers
Shawn

Turkeyboy · **Joined:** Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:31 pm **Posts:** 27

Ace,
I forgot to ask,,, Did your "Split Cinnamon" come out of a "Cinnamon" cockbird or "Cinnamon" hen??

Cheers
Shawn

Ace · **Posted:** Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:42 pm

What percentage turkeyboy?

try 1 in 100 or 1 in 1000 or 1 in 100000 or 1 in 10000000 if they were NOT sexed linked and WERE recessive as you hypothesize then I should have lots and lots on cinnamons running around by now as I have dozens of defiant split cocks and I would have SPLIT HENS under your hypothesis which I don't of course.

Here we are, going around in circles again.

You are trying to make something fit your hypothesis and no matter how many ways you try the facts are the facts in 2011 and every year previous cinnamon guinea fowl have and are sexed linked but if you want to believe otherwise that is your problem As I have written previously IF there is ever a comprehensive study carried out by a geneticist that 100% proves in writing otherwise then they will always be sexed linked.

I think this has been debated enough with no proof offered or given just a hypothesis.

Ace
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Turkeyboy · **Joined:** Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:31 pm **Posts:** 27

Ace, I'm NOT trying to make anything fit my hypothese, I'm trying to understand this mutation and I'm sure others are too.

Cheers
Shawn

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